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  1970's Fred Franz prophecy books and current events

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i am convinced that world history will go on and on, and don't believe in an end time scenario.. but... and... .

  when events occure like trumps tomahawk strike on syria, putting bombing a place and many, many coalitions are made with friends and enemies, my thought are going back to a 40 years ago, when i was a litle boy raising up in a cold war naval harbour town in northwest europe.

  my jw grandfather learned me to investigate history.

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  "There will be wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not yet."
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  Memorial - from disgusted to feeling sorry

  by UBM101 in

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  i went with my husband tonight for the first time.

  it was pretty appalling how they lied about the 144k and everyone else.

  then passing the wine and bread for nothing.

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  Hmmm...

  "Show by your acts that you DESERVE UNDESERVED kindness."

  It certainly seems that the GB speech-writers have reading comprehension problems of their own, Silly Gooses!
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  To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  i salute you.

  many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.

  i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.

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  Everyone survived?

  No one was crucified?

  Whew, that was CLOSE.
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  Nightmare on memorial night. This cult really sucks.

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  this morning i woke up from a good night's sleep to a horrible nightmare.

  as soon as i woke up i asked myself when am i going to get this cult out of my head.

  as a disclaimer i just want you all to know my wife would never do this because she is a hard fast atheist.

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  "There is a crack, a crack, in everything.

  That's how the light gets in." -- Leonard Cohen

  Perhaps your dream was a consequence of cognitive dissonance;

  on the other hand, it might have been a bit of un-digested potato.

  Nothing to fear, either way.
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  Was it just me or was something different about the memorial last night?

  by kpop in

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  this was the first memorial that i declined to do any work for the memorial.

  i was assigned as a parking attendant after getting downgraded from doing the sound and had no intention of doing either task but i had to attend for my family and continuation of my fade.

  i sat there last night listening to the talk and couldn't help but shake my head as my brain attempted to process the bs.

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  The doorways of your perceptions are opening. Congratulations!
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  To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i salute you.

  many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.

  i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.

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  You're welcome. Maybe someday you will let go of the fear that every distant thunderclap is the beginning of Armageddon.

  Not only is it not, it never will be. We were all taught tales invented by fairies.
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  I'm going to let you have the last word, Elder Cofty.

  I suspect you could be diagnosed with both Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You will not seek help because YOU are the ultimate authority, but you should.

  Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a mental health disorder that affects people of all ages and walks of life, and occurs when a person gets caught in a cycle of obsessions and compulsions. Obsessions are unwanted, intrusive thoughts, images or urges that trigger intensely distressing feelings. Compulsions are behaviors an individual engages in to attempt to get rid of the obsessions and/or decrease his or her distress.

  Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which the individual has a distorted self image, unstable and intense emotions, is overly preoccupied with vanity, prestige, power and personal adequacy, lacks empathy, and has an exaggerated sense of superiority. NPD is closely associated with egocentrism - a personality characteristic in which people see themselves and their interests and opinions as the only ones that really matter.
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  ...and ACCURATE! Don't forget ACCURATE, Elder Cofty!

  I'll bet a nickel you have no fans on this site.

  I have at least one.
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Nathan Natas

  One way to check your biases is to examine the evidence, which you refuse to do, preferring instead the warm coziness of your suspicions.

  You are not a seeker of truth, you are seeking to build your own image, Nebuchadnezzar.
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  To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i salute you.

  many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.

  i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.

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  Russell thought that his job was to collect the scattered members of the "Bride of Christ," so, to his thinking, EVERYONE who joined with him was a part of that "Bride" class.

  A problem arose when the ranks of those associating with the WTB&TS rose well beyond 144,000. Slogan Engineers and Bible Apologists were assigned the task of making this reality fit in with doctrinal expectations, and voila! -- a new "class" was revealed to worldwide seekers of excuses.

  From the twisted perspective of the WTB&TS, it all fits. For fanatics it always all fits.

  I do not agree with the claim that "the rejection of blood transfusions is consistent with the rejection of the blood of Christ." Convince me.